"DKerstan" (dkerstan)
08/24/2016 at 21:45 • Filed to: None
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"DKerstan" (dkerstan)
08/24/2016 at 21:45 • Filed to: None | 1
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So after several trips across toll bridges I’m wondering how fast would you have to be going to beat a license plate camera like the ones used on toll bridges, express lanes, or red lights? Basically how fast would you have to go to avoid paying the toll? I’m sure its incredibly fast, and you would be breaking a multitude of laws to do so but hey no one is actually going to do it.
Cameras like these:
OPPOsaurus WRX
> DKerstan
08/24/2016 at 21:49 |
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I think myth busters did that. Maybe top gear but I think it was with a red light can
Honeybunchesofgoats
> DKerstan
08/24/2016 at 21:50 |
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Over 180 mph, evidently.
http://www.raytheon.com/news/feature/e…
Those cameras can capture clear license-plate images at highway speeds and far faster – up to 180 mph, Desmarais said.
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DKerstan
> OPPOsaurus WRX
08/24/2016 at 21:51 |
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IIRC myth busters tried to beat the camera by changing lanes, but not outright speed.
ttyymmnn
> Honeybunchesofgoats
08/24/2016 at 21:52 |
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Axial
> DKerstan
08/24/2016 at 21:53 |
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Would some sort of polarized lens over the license plate help?
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DKerstan
> OPPOsaurus WRX
08/24/2016 at 21:54 |
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Just saw that Top Gear did it with a TVR Tuscan at 180mph
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Honeybunchesofgoats
> Axial
08/24/2016 at 21:55 |
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Apparently it works just as well as a coat of snake oil.
http://radartest.com/Red-Light-Came…
vdub_nut: scooter snob
> DKerstan
08/24/2016 at 21:56 |
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They’re not cameras, typically, unless you mean going through the ezpass lanes without an ezpass (there are cameras then, to catch would-be evaders). A properly functioning EZPass (or whatever your locale calls it) is some flavor of RFID.
There’s an anecdotal story about the boss of the company that developed EZPass trying to determine this very thing, and his 930 turbo on a long straightaway couldn’t reliably beat the sensors... Also, as others have said, Mythbusters tried this and couldn’t do it.
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DKerstan
> Axial
08/24/2016 at 21:56 |
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I know you can buy a reflective spray that causes the flash to distort the numbers. IDK if it works or not
TheRealBicycleBuck
> DKerstan
08/24/2016 at 21:59 |
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They still work at 220mph.
http://jalopnik.com/5954826/watch-…
You can beat them only by hiding your license plate. If you do it frequently, they will catch you.
http://nypost.com/2011/10/13/big…
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf…
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DKerstan
> vdub_nut: scooter snob
08/24/2016 at 21:59 |
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Yeah here they call it the “FasTrak” that uses RFID, Im referring to the cameras used to catch the violators.
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Axial
> Honeybunchesofgoats
08/24/2016 at 22:03 |
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All of those seem to be trying to reflect light at non-useful angles or simply obscure rather than filtering the phase of light such that only a certain phase is allowed to reflect back. Like sunglasses.
That being said, I always figured those darkened and/or hazy covers were more to make it harder for a human officer to read your plate with his eyeballs than anything else.
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Axial
> DKerstan
08/24/2016 at 22:04 |
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That won’t work. The traffic cameras and filtering algorithms are too high-quality for forced over-exposure to have any effect on them.
JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder!
> DKerstan
08/24/2016 at 22:04 |
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You could do what a Florida man by me tried
PS9
> DKerstan
08/24/2016 at 22:05 |
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Mythbusters did in fact beat the camera with speed. Rocket car speed.
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DKerstan
> PS9
08/24/2016 at 22:06 |
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Oh nice! I didn’t see that one.
boredalways
> DKerstan
08/24/2016 at 22:12 |
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Step #1: live in a state that requires only a rear plate.
Step #2: install bike rack and adult size bike(s) to trunk lid as best as possible to not block rearward visibility.
Step #3: ???????????
Step #4: PROFIT!
Busslayer
> DKerstan
08/24/2016 at 22:15 |
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My plan with these is to tailgate as close as possible behind a semi truck going through the trap. I don’t know what criteria the system looks at to determine the difference between me tailgating and truck towing a trailer.
In the winter I have also packed the license plate with snow to obscure it.
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DKerstan
> Busslayer
08/24/2016 at 22:18 |
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Thats a valid option when the highway patrol aren’t near by.
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PS9
> DKerstan
08/24/2016 at 22:27 |
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Not gonna happen.
Let’s set up super-ideal conditions; A Veyron travelling at top-speed (with a freshly voided warranty now), clear sunny day, and a trip-style toll camera capable of 250 fps capture speed (because an always-rolling style toll camera is a lost cause. Forget about that one). The trip is one Veyron-length away from the Camera. If the veyron can advance one whole car length before a frame is captured, it will not be caught. Can it?
A Veyron is ~14 ft long. At 254 mph, It is travelling at 372 feet/second. The Camera captures 250 images/second. From the Camera’s point of view, the car is advancing ~1.48 feet/frame. That is faaaaaar too slow. Even at top speed, we have enough time to capture the Veyron thousands of times before even getting to the license plate, which will be clear as day. If you think 250 fps is a little unfair, I’m supposing you don’t want to go up against a modern enforcement camera with may be capable of capturing 1,000 images/second.
tl;dr -> Modern high-speed camera technology is faster than any vehicle you can buy or build yourself. You’re not going to outrun them.
gmctavish needs more space
> DKerstan
08/24/2016 at 22:29 |
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Don’t do it with speed...do it like this guy did. Expect without the part where he got caught.
http://bc.ctvnews.ca/driver-rigs-19…
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DKerstan
> PS9
08/24/2016 at 22:50 |
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Yeah, I assumed you would not be able to beat it with any modern car. Just for kicks, how fast would you have to be going to to beat it? If i understand correctly You need to cross the field of view of the camera in under the 1/1000th of a second between frames. Im going to assume around 100ft? Based on an online converter I’m coming up with ~69,000mph. I could have messed up the math though.
Clown Shoe Pilot
> DKerstan
08/24/2016 at 23:22 |
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http://jalopnik.com/5954826/watch-…
cletus44 aka Clayton Seams
> DKerstan
08/25/2016 at 09:24 |
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To beat these, I always just execute a slow, lazy, lane change as I drive under them so my car is exactly between the two lanes as I pass the cameras. haven’t got a bill in the mail for years. The cameras are aimed at the center of the lanes, go in the middle and you confuse the cameras.
Rykilla303
> vdub_nut: scooter snob
08/25/2016 at 13:08 |
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In colorado you can pay with an ez pass or let them mail you a bill from a license plate photo. (ez pass gets a discount)
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vdub_nut: scooter snob
> Rykilla303
08/25/2016 at 18:11 |
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In illinois you can register your plate and just drive through with no ez pass module in your car. The plate scanners run the image against a database of registered plates and just autocharge you at the ezpass rate. non subscribers would still pay the regular rate (and assumedly a fine for trying to cheat?)
Tapas
> DKerstan
09/11/2016 at 04:02 |
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Or you can steal someone’s plate, whose car is the same make and model and yours and put them on your car.